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Post by uscientist on Jun 6, 2009 0:48:34 GMT -5
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Post by kwombles on Jun 6, 2009 7:11:59 GMT -5
Another thread to deal with stupid. It doesn't matter what the article is, either, as long as it contains two words: vaccines and autism.
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Post by uscientist on Jun 6, 2009 17:44:57 GMT -5
for kirby this is quite reserved, but the antivax nuts are out in full force
"you're not a parent, you don't understand" crap as usual
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Post by mnballetmom on Jun 7, 2009 9:17:50 GMT -5
I've been counter posting since early this morning and have about six responses sitting in pending, though I see Willoughby's BS has slipped through.
I can't stand Kirby's illegitimate moderation.
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Post by kwombles on Jun 7, 2009 10:20:12 GMT -5
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Post by mnballetmom on Jun 7, 2009 12:32:07 GMT -5
So, out of six or seven posts, one made it out of moderation. And of course FoeHag has to be ignorant about PANDAS.
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Post by mnballetmom on Jun 7, 2009 18:51:31 GMT -5
Teh stooopid, it burns!
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Post by kwombles on Jun 7, 2009 19:30:07 GMT -5
"+ Psyche78 I'm a Fan of Psyche78 I'm a fan of this user permalink First, I was attempting to point out the flaw in rainbowblue's logic of asserting that since he, his brother, and others suffered no ill effects from vaccinations, they are completely safe for everyone. But, let's talk about the expendability of lives and how *all* those vaccines are necessary for saving lives. Chicken Pox. Prior to the introduction of the CP vax in the US in 1995, there were 145 deaths per year. From 1999-2001, there were 66 deaths per year (http://www.thechildrenshospital.org/wellness/info/news/40930.aspx). So in order to save less than 100 lives per year, millions of children are forced to be innoculated and run the risk of an adverse reaction. In addition, due to the "success" of the CP vax, the rate of shingles infection in adults has been increasing, a disease that causes far more complications and is projected to cause far more deaths than those stopped by the CP vax (http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/09/01/12896.aspx). This should be cause for alarm about the unintended consquences of adding more and more vaccinations to the schedule, or are those lives expendable to you?" www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/top-us-panel-some-vaccine_b_211843.html?page=2&show_comment_id=25297821#comment_25297821Kruddler, this is more up your alley. Does this person have a valid claim? I looked at the article linked to. I'd certainly want to see more than one study on this. Any chance you can rebut this or acknowledge the validity of the claim if it's accurate?
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Post by kwombles on Jun 7, 2009 19:45:37 GMT -5
Where'd they find these new people? really. makes you want Hydra to come out and play. And Dug's gone silent!
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Post by pteryxx on Jun 13, 2009 23:36:08 GMT -5
To kwombles re Psyche78's claim. While the news-medical article is rather sloppily framed, the research *is* warning that unintended consequences of the chickenpox vaccine may make it more costly than not vaccinating at all. I looked up the article "The Case Against Universal Varicella Vaccination" by Gary Goldman, International Journal of Toxicology 25:313-317, 2006.
Main points:
1 - The effectiveness of chickenpox vaccine against chickenpox itself depends on exposure to natural virus. So, the more children are vaccinated, the less effective the vaccine will be.
2 - Adults who once had chickenpox are more likely to develop shingles as they are exposed to fewer chickenpox cases. So as fewer kids in the community have chickenpox, cases of shingles rise... and shingles does have 3x the morbidity and 5x the mortality of chickenpox.
3 - Children who have been vaccinated against chickenpox (with a weakened strain) don't develop chickenpox, but can still catch the stronger, wild-type virus and develop shingles from it; and now cases of shingles *in children* are rising.
There's also a fairly strong criticism of the FDA and CDC for analyzing the safety of the chickenpox vaccine based on outdated information and ignoring VAERS, when the VAERS reports are running to 50% serious consequences (as opposed to the Gardasil VAERS reports, where only 6% or so were serious).
I have the PDF of the original article and can mail it to you if you wish.
-Peace, Pteryxx
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Post by mnballetmom on Jun 14, 2009 9:19:38 GMT -5
Thanks pteryxx. A young girl that my daughter used to dance with got shingles when she was nine, after being vaccinated and also getting pox after vaccination.
At the time I thought it was the most bizarre thing, but she was a very high strung girl with a pretty high strung stage type mom, so I sort of marked it up to stress (our girls had been selected for a high-stakes performance team and were dancing, a lot, during summer for the first time) at the time.
Really interesting how the statistics are playing out.
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Post by kruddler on Jun 16, 2009 20:46:00 GMT -5
stress is a classic trigger for shingles
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Post by nostrum on Jul 1, 2009 11:46:47 GMT -5
I got shingles when I was 14, and my husband got it at 31. Both of us had chickenpox as children, and the vaccine wasn't yet common when we got our shingles. Both of our cases were mild, and I suspect part of the rise in shingles in the young is just that they were underreported before. I could have mistaken the rash for something else and not connected the sore muscle as a symptom. My father had a horrible case that made him sick for six months. It was awful.
That's interesting about the vaccine, though. I was hoping regular vaccination would mean adults wouldn't have shingles. Bummer if the reverse is true.
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