David Kirby new post

[uscientist]

Although the post is about a report, the commentors have been dragged over from AoA. I've been busy till now on this

www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/top-us-panel-some-vaccine_b_211843.html

[kwombles]

Another thread to deal with stupid. It doesn't matter what the article is, either, as long as it contains two words: vaccines and autism.

[uscientist]

for kirby this is quite reserved, but the antivax nuts are out in full force

"you're not a parent, you don't understand" crap as usual

[mnballetmom]

I've been counter posting since early this morning and have about six responses sitting in pending, though I see Willoughby's BS has slipped through.

I can't stand Kirby's illegitimate moderation.

[kwombles]

Agreed. Very frustrating and now Tannersdad has a crap post up. www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/top-us-panel-some-vaccine_b_211843.html?show_comment_id=25284027#comment_25284027

[mnballetmom]

So, out of six or seven posts, one made it out of moderation. And of course FoeHag has to be ignorant about PANDAS.

[mnballetmom]

Liquidambar I'm a Fan of Liquidambar I'm a fan of this user permalink

REtts caused by toooo much asprin. It takes alot of asprin. A young friend got it long ago when she had the flu after the doctor prescribed 10 asprin or something unreasonable like that. AND Had a teenager die from it at the school I taught (broke my heart) he had the flu and took a bottle of asprin in only a day.. He took it all on his own, because he wanted to get better to play at a ballgame. Nope, not what is going on with vaccines. Remember, asprin has been virtually banded from pediatics the last 30 years. I feel that if I had given asprin instead of Tylenol that it would have kept the inflamation down in my son and he might not have had a stroke, six hours after his DPT shot.

Teh stooopid, it burns!

[kwombles]

"+ Psyche78 I'm a Fan of Psyche78 I'm a fan of this user permalink
First, I was attempting to point out the flaw in rainbowblue's logic of asserting that since he, his brother, and others suffered no ill effects from vaccinations, they are completely safe for everyone.

But, let's talk about the expendability of lives and how *all* those vaccines are necessary for saving lives. Chicken Pox. Prior to the introduction of the CP vax in the US in 1995, there were 145 deaths per year. From 1999-2001, there were 66 deaths per year (http://www.thechildrenshospital.org/wellness/info/news/40930.aspx). So in order to save less than 100 lives per year, millions of children are forced to be innoculated and run the risk of an adverse reaction. In addition, due to the "success" of the CP vax, the rate of shingles infection in adults has been increasing, a disease that causes far more complications and is projected to cause far more deaths than those stopped by the CP vax (http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/09/01/12896.aspx). This should be cause for alarm about the unintended consquences of adding more and more vaccinations to the schedule, or are those lives expendable to you?"

www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/top-us-panel-some-vaccine_b_211843.html?page=2&show_comment_id=25297821#comment_25297821

Kruddler, this is more up your alley. Does this person have a valid claim? I looked at the article linked to. I'd certainly want to see more than one study on this. Any chance you can rebut this or acknowledge the validity of the claim if it's accurate?

[kwombles]

Where'd they find these new people? really. makes you want Hydra to come out and play. And Dug's gone silent!

[pteryxx]

To kwombles re Psyche78's claim. While the news-medical article is rather sloppily framed, the research *is* warning that unintended consequences of the chickenpox vaccine may make it more costly than not vaccinating at all. I looked up the article "The Case Against Universal Varicella Vaccination" by Gary Goldman, International Journal of Toxicology 25:313-317, 2006.

Main points:

1 - The effectiveness of chickenpox vaccine against chickenpox itself depends on exposure to natural virus. So, the more children are vaccinated, the less effective the vaccine will be.

2 - Adults who once had chickenpox are more likely to develop shingles as they are exposed to fewer chickenpox cases. So as fewer kids in the community have chickenpox, cases of shingles rise... and shingles does have 3x the morbidity and 5x the mortality of chickenpox.

3 - Children who have been vaccinated against chickenpox (with a weakened strain) don't develop chickenpox, but can still catch the stronger, wild-type virus and develop shingles from it; and now cases of shingles *in children* are rising.

There's also a fairly strong criticism of the FDA and CDC for analyzing the safety of the chickenpox vaccine based on outdated information and ignoring VAERS, when the VAERS reports are running to 50% serious consequences (as opposed to the Gardasil VAERS reports, where only 6% or so were serious).

I have the PDF of the original article and can mail it to you if you wish.

-Peace, Pteryxx

[mnballetmom]

Thanks pteryxx. A young girl that my daughter used to dance with got shingles when she was nine, after being vaccinated and also getting pox after vaccination.

At the time I thought it was the most bizarre thing, but she was a very high strung girl with a pretty high strung stage type mom, so I sort of marked it up to stress (our girls had been selected for a high-stakes performance team and were dancing, a lot, during summer for the first time) at the time.

Really interesting how the statistics are playing out.

[kruddler]

stress is a classic trigger for shingles

[nostrum]

I got shingles when I was 14, and my husband got it at 31. Both of us had chickenpox as children, and the vaccine wasn't yet common when we got our shingles. Both of our cases were mild, and I suspect part of the rise in shingles in the young is just that they were underreported before. I could have mistaken the rash for something else and not connected the sore muscle as a symptom. My father had a horrible case that made him sick for six months. It was awful.

That's interesting about the vaccine, though. I was hoping regular vaccination would mean adults wouldn't have shingles. Bummer if the reverse is true.